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NightTrainthedark
Reply #2 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:21 AM
Reply #2 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:21 AM
What cracked me up is them adding features in 2009 (probably way beyond that) that are in Macs today. 
Corky_O
Reply #3 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:59 AM
Reply #3 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 8:59 AM
I'll be running a Mac by then.
The cost of purchasing (or building) a high end PC to enable good performance with Vista is already closing in on, or has surpassed, the cost of a Mac.
The only issue now (in my mind) is purchasing the software for the Mac platform, which I can accomplish by 2009.
I like PC's quite a bit, but the overall cost of living on the 'bleeding edge' has dampened the enthusiasm I once had. A machine that runs some office programs, some publication and graphics editing programs, and has multi-media capabilities is all I need. I like the performance in the Mac for these basic needs better than the performance in the Vista PC (and I have a desktop that has a Vista Experience Rating of '5.3').
....Corky steps down from soap-box......
Skinhit
Reply #4 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:55 AM
Reply #4 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:55 AM
my wallet will not allow me to keep up with the Jones'....
Gideon MacLeish
Reply #5 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:41 AM
Reply #5 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 11:41 AM
I'm becoming more and more of a Linux faan by the minute.
This is just plain greed. Too bad the averaage consumer will fall for it hook, line, and sinker. Look how fast Vista's flying off the shelf despite the average EU not having a system that's ready for it.
This is just plain greed. Too bad the averaage consumer will fall for it hook, line, and sinker. Look how fast Vista's flying off the shelf despite the average EU not having a system that's ready for it.
seldomseen
Reply #6 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:46 PM
...they can have my XP PRO SP2 when they pry my cold, dead fingers from it...
Reply #6 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 12:46 PM
my wallet will not allow me to keep up with the Jones'....
adding features in 2009...that are in Macs today.
...they can have my XP PRO SP2 when they pry my cold, dead fingers from it...
NightTrainthedark
Reply #7 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:03 PM
My company is getting me a Macbookpro. There is a high chance that my personal PC's will eventually make the swap as well. Anything Microsoft does convinces me that is the safer way to go with my money. Skinning is about the only thing that has me clinging to Microsoft.
Reply #7 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 3:03 PM
I'll be running a Mac by then.
My company is getting me a Macbookpro. There is a high chance that my personal PC's will eventually make the swap as well. Anything Microsoft does convinces me that is the safer way to go with my money. Skinning is about the only thing that has me clinging to Microsoft.
viking396
Reply #8 Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:12 PM
3% of the market and Mac fanatics are always claiming that the Mac has this or that before Windows, like Widgets, if I hear another fanboy claim the Mac had widgets sheeeesh people sure like to believe the rhetoric 'ol Steve likes to spew forth.
Hey, Apple invented the GUI right? Apple had the fastest computers on the planet, Apples never crash, nobody writes viruses for the Mac all of which are false.
The first Mac I had to support frowned when it broke down, not much to troubelshhot with that stupid frown.
When Apple increases from the almost 3% that they have to oh, maybe 6% maybe they can brag but the truth is the Apple section is the smallest section of a computer store for very good reason.
Microsoft ain't all that and a bag of chips, but then either is the Mac, which, in case you missed it, is now a PC.
Reply #8 Thursday, February 15, 2007 11:12 PM
What cracked me up is them adding features in 2009 (probably way beyond that) that are in Macs today.
3% of the market and Mac fanatics are always claiming that the Mac has this or that before Windows, like Widgets, if I hear another fanboy claim the Mac had widgets sheeeesh people sure like to believe the rhetoric 'ol Steve likes to spew forth.
Hey, Apple invented the GUI right? Apple had the fastest computers on the planet, Apples never crash, nobody writes viruses for the Mac all of which are false.
The first Mac I had to support frowned when it broke down, not much to troubelshhot with that stupid frown.
When Apple increases from the almost 3% that they have to oh, maybe 6% maybe they can brag but the truth is the Apple section is the smallest section of a computer store for very good reason.
Microsoft ain't all that and a bag of chips, but then either is the Mac, which, in case you missed it, is now a PC.
NightTrainthedark
Reply #9 Friday, February 16, 2007 7:34 AM
I believe it is 100% of mac fanatics.
Reply #9 Friday, February 16, 2007 7:34 AM
3% of the market and Mac fanatics are always claiming that the Mac has this or that before Windows
I believe it is 100% of mac fanatics.
vStyler
Reply #10 Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:54 PM
Reply #10 Tuesday, February 27, 2007 3:54 PM
Vienna is a sweet name for a WB...maybe I'll steal a little of their thunder and use it. 
I.R. Brainiac
Reply #11 Friday, March 16, 2007 3:23 PM
Reply #11 Friday, March 16, 2007 3:23 PM
I wont even have made the switch to Vista by 2009.I loaded Vista for WB testing purposes,it will die in a few more days...I did not like it. 
GoodBytes
Reply #12 Monday, March 19, 2007 8:42 PM
Reply #12 Monday, March 19, 2007 8:42 PM
If you have a new gaming PC, believe me installing XP is HEEEEELLLLLLLL...
XP Sp1 official genuine, (I know you can upgrade with Windows update, I'm talking here about the SETUP)
- Doesn't like SATA HDD's
- Hmmm dual core?!?! it sees my Intel Core 2 Duo and AMD Athlon 64 X2 as a single 800Mhz CPU
- PCI-Express Ethernet card: everything (including windows updates) are successful once every 5 times. The rest of the time, the file is corrupted, or clock at 99%.
Of course the millisecond you upgrade to SP2, everything works perfectly.
This can take up to a full day of work
Vista, 20min and your done.. printer works too without putting a disk in, or downloading anything from the support site.
FAST startup, programs starts faster. The second you log-in to your account, even while you got your startup programs starting up, you can start using your computer right away, the start menu won't disappear in front of you. And trial software system fails in most programs (that means it considers that you purchased it and that a serial was inserted. Heck you even get "Thank you for purchasing xyz program" message)
Many never before fixed bugs since Win2000 are finally fixed:
- Programs don't lose focus
- tool tip on start menu does not appear on the back of the menu.
- improved network system
- FIX the bug: plug/unplug multiple times a USB device on the same USB port, and then the USB port will stop working, until reboot of computer.
- MUCH better resource management.
- A REAL firewall system (quiet good actually)
BTW: Windows Vista runs quiet smoothly with:
- 512MB of RAM @ 333Mhz
- Geforce FX 5200 AGP
- AMD Athlon XP 2500+
- Nforce 2
- Aero GUI with transparency
The reason why it take so much RAM, is because of super fetch. Disable that service, and see your programs take more time to load, yet see your RAM used amount drop.
The only reason why it's slow on games, is because there are no optimized drivers for the sound card, motherboard and video card. Remember Windows XP was out since 2001 and was based on Win2000. So companies was very comfortable programing drivers for it. Oh talking about games, I got all my old 1999 and older games that WORKS under Vista RC2 public beta, yes they work, without any hack!
Tested games:
- Megarace
- WarCraft II (original for windows)
- Emperor: Battle of Dune
- Simcity 1
- Simtower
- Prince of Persia DOS version
- TestDrive for DOS
- Need For Speed HighStakes
and more...
Anyway, in my case, I have no choice to upgrade...
========================================================================
A bit more interesting question:
Since Vista come out, we see many people change to MAC or Linux...
Do you think releasing vista was bad for Microsoft? What do you think that caused Vista to cause people to change to different OS?
When I saw Windows XP came out, it had less features then added from Win2000 then Vista from XP.
Windows XP main new features:
- New ugly (at my taste) Skin
- Dog in the search
- Side column
- Remove the ability to make your own custom folder style.
- Activation system
- Welcome screen
- Fast user Switch
Heck I was using Win2000 since 2006 Jan. and that was when I build my new computer.
I had a Windows XP SP1 CD that I won in a contest, and I never bother to look at it.
XP Sp1 official genuine, (I know you can upgrade with Windows update, I'm talking here about the SETUP)
- Doesn't like SATA HDD's
- Hmmm dual core?!?! it sees my Intel Core 2 Duo and AMD Athlon 64 X2 as a single 800Mhz CPU
- PCI-Express Ethernet card: everything (including windows updates) are successful once every 5 times. The rest of the time, the file is corrupted, or clock at 99%.
Of course the millisecond you upgrade to SP2, everything works perfectly.
This can take up to a full day of work
Vista, 20min and your done.. printer works too without putting a disk in, or downloading anything from the support site.
FAST startup, programs starts faster. The second you log-in to your account, even while you got your startup programs starting up, you can start using your computer right away, the start menu won't disappear in front of you. And trial software system fails in most programs (that means it considers that you purchased it and that a serial was inserted. Heck you even get "Thank you for purchasing xyz program" message)
Many never before fixed bugs since Win2000 are finally fixed:
- Programs don't lose focus
- tool tip on start menu does not appear on the back of the menu.
- improved network system
- FIX the bug: plug/unplug multiple times a USB device on the same USB port, and then the USB port will stop working, until reboot of computer.
- MUCH better resource management.
- A REAL firewall system (quiet good actually)
BTW: Windows Vista runs quiet smoothly with:
- 512MB of RAM @ 333Mhz
- Geforce FX 5200 AGP
- AMD Athlon XP 2500+
- Nforce 2
- Aero GUI with transparency
The reason why it take so much RAM, is because of super fetch. Disable that service, and see your programs take more time to load, yet see your RAM used amount drop.
The only reason why it's slow on games, is because there are no optimized drivers for the sound card, motherboard and video card. Remember Windows XP was out since 2001 and was based on Win2000. So companies was very comfortable programing drivers for it. Oh talking about games, I got all my old 1999 and older games that WORKS under Vista RC2 public beta, yes they work, without any hack!
Tested games:
- Megarace
- WarCraft II (original for windows)
- Emperor: Battle of Dune
- Simcity 1
- Simtower
- Prince of Persia DOS version
- TestDrive for DOS
- Need For Speed HighStakes
and more...
Anyway, in my case, I have no choice to upgrade...
========================================================================
A bit more interesting question:
Since Vista come out, we see many people change to MAC or Linux...
Do you think releasing vista was bad for Microsoft? What do you think that caused Vista to cause people to change to different OS?
When I saw Windows XP came out, it had less features then added from Win2000 then Vista from XP.
Windows XP main new features:
- New ugly (at my taste) Skin
- Dog in the search
- Side column
- Remove the ability to make your own custom folder style.
- Activation system
- Welcome screen
- Fast user Switch
Heck I was using Win2000 since 2006 Jan. and that was when I build my new computer.
I had a Windows XP SP1 CD that I won in a contest, and I never bother to look at it.
REDstyler
Reply #13 Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:07 AM
Reply #13 Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:07 AM
Vienna Sounds like a good name, but not for Windows, more for WB.
I eat Vienna's - I don't use them!
What do you guys think is a better name?
I eat Vienna's - I don't use them!
What do you guys think is a better name?
vStyler
Reply #14 Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:09 AM
Reply #14 Thursday, March 29, 2007 10:09 AM
Vienna is a sweet name for a WB...maybe I'll steal a little of their thunder and use it.
Vienna Sounds like a good name, but not for Windows, more for WB.
DjiRate
Reply #15 Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:05 AM
Reply #15 Thursday, March 29, 2007 11:05 AM
yeah isn't vienna one of those cookies or the sausages? 
Nak j/k yeah can't wait to see the skin behind the name vstyler.
Nak j/k yeah can't wait to see the skin behind the name vstyler.
511b
Reply #16 Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:29 PM
The thing is, or at least this is my half-assed guess is that the "Jones" don't have vista unless they have purchased a new computer in the last couple of months, and I just dont think that the Jones will upgrade for quite some time because it just isn't practical. My parents(who are combined about as tech-savy as cold limp noodle) didn't have anything better than a 333mhz processor running Windows 98 until 2 years ago. We just had no need for it, I could do homework and access the web it worked fine. I believe that Microsoft and the computer manufacturers want people to think that they are way behind in an effort to build their fairly poor to date Vista sales.
I hear you seldom...
If it ain't broke don't fix it and surely not shell out $300 for it
Reply #16 Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:29 PM
my wallet will not allow me to keep up with the Jones'....
The thing is, or at least this is my half-assed guess is that the "Jones" don't have vista unless they have purchased a new computer in the last couple of months, and I just dont think that the Jones will upgrade for quite some time because it just isn't practical. My parents(who are combined about as tech-savy as cold limp noodle) didn't have anything better than a 333mhz processor running Windows 98 until 2 years ago. We just had no need for it, I could do homework and access the web it worked fine. I believe that Microsoft and the computer manufacturers want people to think that they are way behind in an effort to build their fairly poor to date Vista sales.
...they can have my XP PRO SP2 when they pry my cold, dead fingers from it...
I hear you seldom...
If it ain't broke don't fix it and surely not shell out $300 for it
S J N
Reply #17 Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:48 PM
ditto!
Reply #17 Tuesday, April 10, 2007 6:48 PM
...they can have my XP PRO SP2 when they pry my cold, dead fingers from it...
ditto!
pjdark
Reply #18 Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:19 PM
Reply #18 Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:19 PM
don't like macs but they sure look purty.although they have a nice and efficient use of space inside their boxes[usually].as far as linux.......ugh.what is root? ....again .....ugh.linux may be stable but it sure sucks butt! xp for me for at least 3-4 more years,and i love it. thats my 2 pennies. as far as vienna....no rush for that either.
as far as vienna....no rush for that either.
Uvah
Reply #19 Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:41 PM
Ditto times three (reference reply #17)Xp runs damn good on my rig. WindowBlinds runs good too!. Never a problem...except when I crash it, but that's my fault. When and IF I change to a diffrent OS it'll be on a brand new machine and only after the OS has been established more than Vista is at the moment. That's my three cents...no change please
Reply #19 Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:41 PM
xp for me for at least 3-4 more years,and i love it. thats my 2 pennies. as far as vienna....no rush for that either.
Ditto times three (reference reply #17)Xp runs damn good on my rig. WindowBlinds runs good too!. Never a problem...except when I crash it, but that's my fault. When and IF I change to a diffrent OS it'll be on a brand new machine and only after the OS has been established more than Vista is at the moment. That's my three cents...no change please
Phoon
Reply #20 Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:42 PM
Goodbytes,
You can integrate SP2 into your installation media and not go through the suffering.
The best tool on the planet to do this is Nlite
Get It HERE!
Reply #20 Tuesday, April 10, 2007 7:42 PM
XP Sp1 official genuine, (I know you can upgrade with Windows update, I'm talking here about the SETUP)
Goodbytes,
You can integrate SP2 into your installation media and not go through the suffering.
The best tool on the planet to do this is Nlite
Get It HERE!
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Reply #1 Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:18 AM
Give Microsoft time to get the
I know that there are a thousand good reasons to switch to Vista now...this putter is quite capable but there are a million more not to at this time
It's My Secret